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08:15 pm: Making Distinctions Where Distinctions Are Due

Just heard a term I really like: Alt-Left

The Alt-Left (a.k.a. SJW, SJZ, Social Justice Warriors, Social Justice Zealots, Social Justice Zombies, and crybullies) do not believe in free speech. tolerating people who disapprove of their ideas, or that the races should be treated equally. (They just convinced the University of California to offer race segregated housing. Poor Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. must be spinning in his grave. Perhaps this is a secret plan to create an perpetual motion machine by attaching a generator to the unfortunate reverend and his fellow Civil Rights leaders.)

They are the Alt-Left, because they are entirely a different group from the Left:

The Left are Liberals, i.e. people who are, well, liberal. They believe in freedom, free speech, toleration, treating everyone equally, regardless of race. They are open-minded, so much so that whatever you tell them, they will response: 

“Nothing you can say will offend me.”

This is directly opposed to the Alt-Left, who even take offense at kindly meant comments, such as “Excuse me, sir,” or God bless you."

I should add: The reasons I like this term are three-fold:

1) It makes it clear that the two groups mentioned above are separate groups.

2) It is not complementary. Come on. If you didn't know what it meant, who would not want to be a Social Justice Warrior! It sounds like a superhero. I know people who have signed on and call themselves SJWs who are nothing like what other people mean by the term.

3) And, most important to me, it is not insulting. Unlike terms like crybabies and the new Ctl-Left (as in Ctl-Left, Alt-Right, Delete), it doesn't insult the people who hold these believes. I might not agree with them, but I don't like insulting a person just for holding a belief. Also, a person might hold such believes and not themselves be a crybully. I am often annoyed that there isn't a term for referring to these ideas that isn't insulting.
 

 

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From:asher63
Date:September 9th, 2016 01:00 am (UTC)
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I like this.
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From:minihaha
Date:September 9th, 2016 01:57 am (UTC)
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Oh lordy. Are you kidding me!!
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From:starshipcat
Date:September 9th, 2016 02:43 am (UTC)
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I wish.
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From:yamamanama
Date:September 9th, 2016 05:10 am (UTC)
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Alt-left is the instability strip of politics. People who actually call themselves alt-left tend to be third way authoritarians at its most extreme, embracing the alt-right's tech fetishism and their problems with race. There are maybe a literal ton of them in existence.

You're thinking of "regressive left," which is a term I feel actually fits democrats who embrace right-wing social positions or those who have embraced fascist or quasi-fascist or otherwise right wing authoritarians because there aren't any more authoritarian leftists in power and I am forever resentful that they stole what ought to be our word for people like them.
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From:arhyalon
Date:September 9th, 2016 11:39 am (UTC)
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The problem is that they would never refer to themselves as regressive Left.

I liked the idea of a term that is neutral, so that it wasn't necessarily an insult, even if it describes something we don't like.

I hadn't heard that there was a group actually calling itself Alt-Left. I just heard it as the Left version of Alt-Right.

;-)
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From:cmzero
Date:September 9th, 2016 05:45 pm (UTC)
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"They just convinced the University of California to offer race segregated housing."

If you're talking about CSU LA, that's been debunked.
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From:arhyalon
Date:September 9th, 2016 11:56 pm (UTC)
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Very sadly, Snopes is no longer reliable.

In this case, considering it was a reaction to Black students asking for Black-Only housing, it sounds more like backpeddling to me, but hope springs eternal. Maybe it won't happen. ;-)
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From:cmzero
Date:September 10th, 2016 11:38 am (UTC)
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Everything I've seen, on Snopes and elsewhere, tells me this is no different from similar housing that existed on my own campus 20 years ago, and was never otherwise. If you have another source, though, please provide it.
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From:arhyalon
Date:September 10th, 2016 05:12 pm (UTC)
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I guess we'll just have to see. My impression was that they were defining it as similar, but that, in practice, it was catering to those who believe the current ideas that one race can upset another race due to factors that are outside of their control (ie. "privilege."-a thing they can't curb, change, or modify. )

But since one can't really tell anything by the news nowadays...

Ever since last year, when every single news article about my husband and his friends was wrong...and had not bothered to contact them for the real facts, I have lived in acceptance of the fact that I may really not know what is going on.

Edited at 2016-09-10 05:13 pm (UTC)
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From:topum
Date:September 10th, 2016 05:20 am (UTC)
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I am not sure whether this post microaggressed me or not. I will run to the safe space anyway.
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From:arhyalon
Date:September 10th, 2016 05:10 pm (UTC)
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Lol

I suppose safe spaces are supposed to be cozy, but my imagination always presents them as a padded room.
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From:topum
Date:September 10th, 2016 06:15 pm (UTC)
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I don't know what they are supposed to be but they are definitely my idea of hell. A dead, sterile world stripped of all life.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:September 12th, 2016 10:34 am (UTC)
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LOL. I agree. Padded rooms are just what is wanted.

On the other hand, insulting people who believe, just for starters, that one should shoot children in the head because their parents are insufficiently counter-revolutionary, (Che Guevera) strikes me as a FINE idea.

My only caveat is that the insult be apropos.

Homophobe!

Not so much.
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From:arhyalon
Date:September 12th, 2016 11:35 am (UTC)
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Yeah, because fear of sameness is getting a bit old.
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