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10:48 am: Tor and the Puppies: I Am Not A Number!

The last week or so has been very painful.

On one hand, I have tremendous sympathy for the many good folks at Tor, some of whom I have known for 30 years.

On the other hand, I also have tremendous sympathy for the fans—a few of whom are veterans who fought actual Nazis—who feel they are tired of being heckled and humiliated by a very few Tor employees, who have been behaving in a less than professional manner.

Many of these readers are people I know, people I interact with online, or fans of John’s who have written us thoughtful letters explaining why they regretfully feel they must stop buying Tor book, despite their desire to keep reading John’s latest series.

I was thus appalled to see posts suggesting that the emails to Tor—many of which, I am led to understand, are arriving with photos of the reader’s Tor book collections, in some cases, collections worth thousands of dollars—were not legitimate but were sent from automated bots.

Tor Folks:  You may disagree with the Sad/Rabid Puppies, or feel loyalty to your co-workers—but please! Don’t insult our readers by claiming they don’t exist!

Readers:  I realize that, in the age of electronics,this is an unprecedented request, but: if you have a strong opinion that you wish to be heard, it might help if you committed it to physical paper—perhaps along with a printout of your photo of your Tor book collection—and snail mailed it to Tor and Macmillan.

Also, feel free to send me your photo of your Tor books. I will post any photos or links I receive on my website, so everyone can see that you are a real person with real books. (If possible, include in

 

For my part, I shall continue to pray that these differences can be resolved,

and we can all go back to reading good books!
 
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From:yamamanama
Date:June 15th, 2015 07:46 pm (UTC)
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On the other hand, Vox Popoli is home to some of the most vile anti-Jewish sentiments I've ever seen, including people who believe the Holocaust was divine retribution for the Russian Revolution, so the sobriquet Neo-Nazi fits these people very well.
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From:arhyalon
Date:June 15th, 2015 07:48 pm (UTC)
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Hello, Yama!
It is definitely possible that a few real neo-Nazis visit Vox Popoli, but many of the folks there are veterans who have fought for freedom, a few even fought Nazis.

Those folks don't appreciate the comparison.

How are you doing?
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From:yamamanama
Date:June 15th, 2015 07:55 pm (UTC)
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I doubt that very much. Those people don't even believe in freedom.
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From:arhyalon
Date:June 15th, 2015 07:58 pm (UTC)
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I know it seems to you as if everything Vox is evil, but I have some friends, very decent fellows, who admire Vox and read his blog.

People can see very different things in each other.
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From:yamamanama
Date:June 15th, 2015 08:18 pm (UTC)
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Being a decent person and admiring Vox are mutually incompatible.
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From:arhyalon
Date:June 15th, 2015 08:39 pm (UTC)
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That's not true of anyone. Everyone has some good qualities.

Even you and me.
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From:Windwalker Oldwolf
Date:June 19th, 2015 01:13 am (UTC)

I would send you my Tor books

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However we literally moved into a temp rental and I really do not want to unpack more than 36 large moving boxes only to have to repack them when we buy a place in about 3 months. I am more than willing to do so after however :)
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From:arhyalon
Date:June 19th, 2015 01:15 am (UTC)

Re: I would send you my Tor books

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One or two people just sent lists of books they own.
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From:bojojoti
Date:June 21st, 2015 12:36 pm (UTC)
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I wasn't going to bother, but I've seen the other photos and decided to go through one room. This doesn't contain the anthologies, autographed copies, or books kept in other rooms or stored away in inaccessible areas. It doesn't contain any of my paperbacks, as they are still boxed from the move, and it doesn't have any of my e-reader collection.

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Ender's Game is one of my favorite books.



Edited at 2015-06-21 12:36 pm (UTC)
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From:arhyalon
Date:June 21st, 2015 08:55 pm (UTC)
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Wonderful collection! (the whole thing)
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From:bojojoti
Date:June 21st, 2015 12:45 pm (UTC)
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Now that I remember how to post, here is the next:

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My daughter-in-law and I have a unique relationship. We both love to read and enjoy many of the same authors; whoever buys the latest book notifies the other, and we share our libraries. As a result, I have two of the Terry Goodkind Sword of Truth books, and she owns the rest.

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From:bojojoti
Date:June 21st, 2015 12:52 pm (UTC)
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My DIL and I love the Wheel of Time series. Somehow, I only have two in hardback, but my DIL has the entire series (and I have duplicates in paperback). And look at the pretty covers of an author named Jagi!

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From:arhyalon
Date:June 21st, 2015 08:52 pm (UTC)
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As said above...the rumors that owners of photos without my books in them will be eaten by Screaming Eels is entirely untrue.

But...it's nice to know that you are safe either way. (Thanks!)
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From:bojojoti
Date:June 21st, 2015 10:28 pm (UTC)
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I need to buy the Rachel Griffins, but every time I've asked the bookstore I frequent (for the last two or three years), they've never had any. I usually take in a list of books I want and they are very helpful to look for them but usually never have but one or two. It wasn't until about a month ago that I realized they only carry authors of a certain political persuasion. They always thoughtfully offered to order the books for me, but I'd choose something else they had in stock. It took this Hugo brouhaha to open my eyes to realize the reason they were lacking those authors wasn't that their books were sold out--they weren't even represented. I'm looking for a new bookstore. Until then, would purchasing Rachel on Amazon work best for the author or what other venue should I use?
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From:arhyalon
Date:June 21st, 2015 10:41 pm (UTC)
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It is a very tiny publisher. I don't think they ship to many bookstores. The easiest way to get them is Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Unexpected-Enlightenment-Rachel-Griffin/dp/1937051870
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From:bojojoti
Date:June 22nd, 2015 12:26 am (UTC)
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That explains Rachel, but it doesn't explain Brandon Sanderson, Orson Scott Card, Larry Correia, Jim Butcher, a complete lack of Baen, etc. I like to support indie bookstores, but I want one that is less proprietary over what they offer. I realize that no bookstore can carry everything, but to completely shun an entire group of authors doesn't work for me.
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From:arhyalon
Date:June 22nd, 2015 02:27 pm (UTC)
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It is mindblowing to think someone would avoid Butcher for political reasons!

Still...yeah. You need a better bookstore!
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From:arhyalon
Date:June 23rd, 2015 07:49 pm (UTC)
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Also, you can check out Rachel Griffin here, to see if it is your kind of thing:

http://www.ljagilamplighter.com/chapter-one-the-treacherous-art-of-making-friends/
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From:arhyalon
Date:June 23rd, 2015 07:48 pm (UTC)
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Posted...but I've lost the location you put. Sorry!

http://www.ljagilamplighter.com/2015/06/21/i-am-not-a-robot-i-am-a-hundred-free-fans/

Let me know if this looks good. If so, send location and I'll add it.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:June 26th, 2015 01:41 pm (UTC)
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Kansas! The ♥ of the United States.

Looks great, Jagi. So far, there seems to be no word from Tor. I sent them an e-mail and never received an answer. I was polite and friendly, too! :) I didn't ask for any heads on pikes or threaten a boycott. It does make me sad that they are ignoring their customers.

I recently attended a convention with two big-name authors. They both had huge lines for autographs. One had a whiteboard of rules on how to approach him (no posing, have book open to signing page, no personalizations, etc.--I do understand that he has been doing this for a long time and it's a chore); the other posed for photos and talked to his fans. They are both excellent writers, but I'm now a fan for life of one--he was such a nice guy.

The thing is, when there are lots of options out there, it's human nature to go with the companies or authors who show respect and act decently to the consumer.
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From:arhyalon
Date:June 30th, 2015 11:31 am (UTC)
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Yes, you are entirely right!

If it helps, I have been told by some folks at Tor that since some of the management is significantly older than the computer revolution, emails are often just skimmed, but physical letters are always read.
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From:bojojoti
Date:June 21st, 2015 12:59 pm (UTC)
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I have a terrible confession to make--I've never read L.E. Modesitt, Jr. I've not read any of the Ringworld series, either. I like to collect an entire series before I start reading it. I'll buy tried and true authors as soon as they are published, but I've gotten leary of series by other authors. I hate being left in the lurch (Melanie Rawn, Kathleen Duey, Jasper Fforde...).

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Found more Modesitt!
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From:bojojoti
Date:June 21st, 2015 01:28 pm (UTC)
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Brandon Sanderson has a good track record of returning to a series. I understand that authors can't turn on inspiration or write a masterpiece every year, but he manages to be prolific and creative. I'm currently waiting on the next installment of The Stormlight Archive, Elantris, Reckoners, Legion, Rithmatist, Mistborn, Warbreaker, and the final book of Alcatraz. I can't believe I'm following eight storylines from him! What's even more amazing is that he'll probably start even another one, and I'll read that, too.

My DIL gave me Lamentation by Ken Scholes for Christmas one year. (I don't know where it's gone to--misplaced somewhere.) That series is so underrated. My local bookstore never carried it, so maybe it wasn't marketed well and never found its readers. It's one of those series that is still being written. At least, I hope it is--that sales will allow Mr. Scholes to complete the series.
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From:bojojoti
Date:June 21st, 2015 01:45 pm (UTC)
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I love the book cover on Titans of Chaos. I'd buy that to grace my walls. It's magical.

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I had these sitting out on a table downstairs while I was reading them when my husband's elderly aunt was visiting, and I think I scared her!

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That's it! It's not all the Tor--I'm missing some books, have some loaned out, and I probably overlooked some. That imprint of the little mountain looks so similar to many others!

I'd prefer to remain somewhat anonymous if you post on Facebook or elsewhere, but you can say I'm from Kansas. I'm not a puppy, but I love the puppies (who doesn't love puppies?); I love the TrueFen, the authors, and the artists, but I'm not too fond of the haters, mean girls, and the melodramatic crowd who conflate differences of opinion with evil.




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From:arhyalon
Date:June 21st, 2015 08:54 pm (UTC)
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We love the cover of Titan of Chaos, too. I bought John a mug with that on it (using Café Press) the year the book came out...as a surprise.

There are now here for folks to see here, but I will put some, at least, possibly all, on Page Three!

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