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12:42 pm: Superversive SF: The Bosom-Jiggle Factor Index

Today, I thought I would do a post explaining the concept of the Needs of Drama vs. The Needs of Culture using visual aids.

Normally, I avoid things quite this tacky, but it is such a simple way to make the point. I hope my readers will for give me for the lapse.

(Originally, I thought of calling this post The Boob-Jiggle Factor Index, but I was reminded that my Facebook feed ends up in many people’s living rooms, where their kids are. Thus, the slightly less tacky title. For the rest of the post, I will use BJF, and you may decide, in your own imagination, whether the B stands for breast, boob, or bosom.)

So, to refresh, my theory is that there are two forces at work creating a story. The forces at work are:

The Needs of Drama—the qualities that make a story dramatic, eye-catching, intriguing. Sex, sizzle, bang, POW! Seduction! Explosions! LOTS OF CAPTIALS AND EXCAMATIONS!!!!!!

The Needs of Culture—the desire to use the story to teach lessons needed to participate in the culture, like an Asops Fable or a morality play. These stories include topics like: How to behave. How to treat friends. How to treat strangers. What is and is not moral. – the message of the work.

It is not my opinion that one of these forces is better than the other. Rather, I believe that there needs to be a harmonious marriage of the two of a work to be really great.

Too much drama leads to meaningless sex and bloodshed. Too much culture leads to boring message fiction.

Without further ado, The Needs of Drama vs. The Needs of Culture, as illustrated by the BJF Index:

The Needs of Drama:

  Lara croft 5  Lara_Croft_17_by_Nicobass

(And we can’t even see the jiggle factor here.)                             

The Needs of Culture:

lara-croft-2013

Here’s a comparison:

laracroft

 

For the second one, we move to Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel. For those who are unfamiliar with her, all the pictures below are of the same character.

For this second one, I am only discussing the straight out physical appearance—things like elegance of form vs. difficult to draw but easier to cosplay—not the race, religion, or any other aspect of the character. 

Just the BJF.

The Needs of Drama:

ms_marvel_avengers_age_of_ultron

The Needs of Culture:

Ms Marvel

(I’ve seen some really cute cosplay costumes for this new Ms. Marvel outfit. Ironically, the real dresses look better than this drawing.)

An elegant mix of drama and culture, perhaps?

Ms. Marvel cap 2

 

So…any questions?

Originally posted to Welcome to Arhyalon. (link)

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From:nancylebov
Date:April 8th, 2015 08:06 pm (UTC)
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You're making a reasonable point, but this article showed up about half a dozen times on my lj feed.
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From:arhyalon
Date:April 8th, 2015 11:02 pm (UTC)
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Sorry about that. Usually, it doesn't cros post at all. I'll go remove some.
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From:arhyalon
Date:April 8th, 2015 11:10 pm (UTC)
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Fixed. Thank you very much for letting me know. No one wants 15 Boob-Jiggles on their Friends Page!!!
From:(Anonymous)
Date:April 9th, 2015 07:55 pm (UTC)
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Actually, some of us would like nothing more than 15 boob-jiggles on a friends page! ;-)

- Scholar-at-Arms
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From:arhyalon
Date:April 9th, 2015 08:02 pm (UTC)
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LOL
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From:persephone_kore
Date:April 11th, 2015 12:06 am (UTC)
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For those who are unfamiliar with her, all the pictures below are of the same character.

While I'm not as involved in comics fandom as I used to be, I don't think this is strictly accurate. To the best of my understanding, the first and third picture are the same character, Carol Danvers, who has gone through an assortment of superhero names, starting with Ms. Marvel and including Binary and Warbird; she is now Captain Marvel, after the character previously using that name (in her universe) retired. The second picture is a different character, Kamala Khan, who took up the Ms. Marvel superhero name after manifesting her powers.

(While the specific decisions involved are undoubtedly influenced in part by their estimates of the Needs of Culture, this actually strikes me as a pretty typical level of confusion resulting from Marvel Comics' efforts to shake things up in accordance with what they consider the Needs of Drama.)

Edited at 2015-04-11 12:08 am (UTC)
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From:arhyalon
Date:April 11th, 2015 01:13 pm (UTC)
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Lol John complained about that, too.

To a non comic book fan, the Flash or The Green Lantern is the "same character" even though it might be Wally West vs. Barry Allan or Hal Jordan vs. John Scott.

This is made more confusing in this case, because Ms. Marvel Carol graduated to Captain Marvel...but I figured that explaining all this would be longer than the rest of my article...that comic book folks would know, and anyone else probably wasn't that interested.

Sorry if it was confusing.
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From:persephone_kore
Date:April 16th, 2015 04:25 am (UTC)
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Well, it was confusing in the sense that I thought you were confused.

I can understand imagining that all superheroes with the same name are actually the same character if one is unaware of the situation, and I admit that characters handing around titles as if they are passing popcorn can be highly confusing. But I have to point out that if you do know better, saying all Green Lanterns are the same character is a bit like saying all policemen are actually the same person.... ;)
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From:arhyalon
Date:April 16th, 2015 11:50 am (UTC)
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I think the confusion is in the word Character.

Saying all members of the Green Lantern Corp are the same is ridiculous.

Saying all the particular personalities who have served as The Green Lantern for earth and have been the main character in the comic are The Green Lantern is correct. It's just weird usage because we don't have another word for The Green Lantern or Ms. Marvel other than character.

I supposed I could have said same office. As in Clinton, Bush, and Obama were all the president, but not the same person. But nobody uses the word that way for comics.

In the comic industry, there may be a word for it...what they call the property of The Flash, when they mean more than one guy...do they say the character of the Flash? I doubt they say the office of the Flash.

Hmm....
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