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05:01 pm: How come I didn't get invited to the party?
My whole life, people have been afraid of overpopulation. So much so that as recently as five years ago, I was asked to justify why I was willing to do something as terrible to the planet as have a third kid. (More than replacement rate.  The assumption was that moral people had two children, or one, or none at all.)

So, it was a great shock to me to learn that suddenly a switch has been thrown, and the population is too small. Europe and Japan are said to be "dying from within" because of not enough population -- babies are not being born quickly enough to replace the current population and support the older folks. America has only escaped this dire fate do to immigration. (Europe had immigration, too, but they are not integrating, so, apparently, it doesn't "count.")

So, my question is: If the population used to be too high and now it is too low...what was the date when it was just perfect? Was it in the 90s? The 70s? May 16th, 2003?

Why wasn' t I informed? Was there a party I missed -- A "Hey, the earth is perfect today!" party?

If not, can we hold one now, in retrospect?

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From:madkestrel
Date:August 22nd, 2008 09:42 pm (UTC)
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Absolutely we can - I'll bring the cider! *grin*
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From:arhyalon
Date:August 23rd, 2008 05:36 am (UTC)
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I wonder if we could stage such a party at some convention. ;-)
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From:kokorognosis
Date:August 23rd, 2008 01:17 am (UTC)
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I'm all for throwing that party now.

Lemme dig around and find the anthropology hat I donned for a short period in college...

I'm not sure when it happened, but it's a symptom of a post industrial culture.

Erm. Actually: It would the generation that grew up in the 80s, most likely.

Immigration without integration is a scary thing; Sharia Law's major foothold in Europe is gonna be due to a lack of integration.

Sorry this is disjointed, but I just worked my second sixteen hour day and I have a third one to do tomorrow. The framerate in my head is dragging a bit. Well, more than a bit.
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From:juliet_winters
Date:August 23rd, 2008 03:20 am (UTC)
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Yeah, I used to get raised eyebrows when we dared to have the second kid after the first one was handicapped. People can be such jerks.
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From:arhyalon
Date:August 23rd, 2008 05:36 am (UTC)
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I know exactly what you mean. Quite a few people have wanted to ask me how we can even think of adopting when we have the Cherubim. They hint, but no one has actually done it.


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From:headnoises
Date:August 23rd, 2008 06:49 am (UTC)
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I guess "die in a fire" would be an uncharitable response, right?

How about a left hook?
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From:catholicteacher
Date:August 23rd, 2008 04:50 am (UTC)
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We're breeding and you're not! At least now, it looks like the people who love life and families are having them and the rest are not...Oops, I guess I should explain that I have several young conservative Catholic friends that intend to eventually win the debate on how the world should be run by outnumbering those who disagree. Many of my friends and colleagues have or come from families of six or more children. I actually caught myself saying: "Wait, M--- might only have seven siblings, now that I think about it..."
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From:arhyalon
Date:August 23rd, 2008 05:34 am (UTC)
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So... ;-p
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From:juliet_winters
Date:August 23rd, 2008 11:06 am (UTC)
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Go, Catholics!

I asked my wordsmith husband when I was in a particular pet to come up with an equivalent term for those childless and proud idiots who smirkingly call us breeders. He smiled and gave his answer: ghosts.

They wander the earth making much noise and leave nothing of significance behind.
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From:headnoises
Date:August 23rd, 2008 06:48 am (UTC)
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Oh, those same folks who yelled at you for having a third-- which is closer to replacement than two, by the way-- are still yelling.

Just the rest of the folks have noticed that most of the civilized areas are at way *below* replacement-- because folks still die before having even one kid, by choice or by accident.
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From:arhyalon
Date:August 23rd, 2008 12:04 pm (UTC)
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My answer, by the way, was that I have both a brother and a close friend who are not planning to reproduce, so I was covering them, too.

It was only more recently that I realized I didn't need to justify myself. ;-)
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From:starshipcat
Date:August 23rd, 2008 02:44 pm (UTC)
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And some of us may live our full spans but be unable to have children due to medical reasons that also foreclose the possibility of adopting.

I'm the eldest of four, but as of yet my folks have only two grandchildren, and both of them have health issues that may greatly reduce their chance of marrying and having children (we're hoping the intensive therapy they're getting as little kids will enable them to become fully functional members of society when they grow up). My spouse and I have been trying fruitlessly for eight years, and we're getting to the age that we're pretty much figuring it's Just Not In the Hand We've Drawn. My other two brothers remain single, and neither of them have girlfriends, although there's always the possibility that could change. A guy doesn't have a hard limit on his fertility the way a gal does.
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From:annafirtree
Date:August 23rd, 2008 09:52 pm (UTC)
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I think people used to think that with fewer people, we would have more resources per person. Now we are finding out that breeding at less than replacement causes more economic and cultural problems, at least in the short run.

I probably fit that description of a Catholic outbreeding the anti-family types. My fourth child in 6 years is due in a couple weeks and I still have 12-15 years or so of fertility left, during which I don't plan to stop having kids. :)
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From:arhyalon
Date:August 24th, 2008 12:19 am (UTC)
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Go, Anna! (if that is your real name. ;-)
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From:juliet_winters
Date:August 25th, 2008 02:14 am (UTC)
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Just finished watching Yours, Mine, and Ours...classic comedy starring Lucille Ball and Henry Fonda. I think given our discussion, it should be shown in conjunction with the party. A widow and a widower combine families to have 18 kids total. Then they top it off with a 19th.
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