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10:44 am: Amusing Images

I just saw a map that showed that the jurisdictions in NC that voted against Amendment 1 were all college towns. This amused me because I could not think of anything I'd seen in a long time so likely to make both Liberals and Conservatives crow.

The Liberals take this as proof that the educated agree with them and their oponents are stupid. (That was basically the caption on the map.)

The Conservatives take this as proof that the Ivory Towers of Academia are filled with Leftist intellectuals who have never done an honest day of work and who fill their students heads with foolish ideas–as they have always thought.

Both sides are happy.

Originally posted to Welcome to Arhyalon. (link)

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From:juliet_winters
Date:May 10th, 2012 04:37 pm (UTC)
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Give it a few generations, and, assuming we haven't turned into a Brave New World, the liberals will have neutered themselves out of having any say in the matter.

By the by, I thought it was telling--and inevitable--that the day after Obama made up his public mind, the media is now posting stories about the atrocities homosexuals suffer throughout the world. Well, the only way to fix that is a strong world government, I suppose!
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From:arhyalon
Date:May 10th, 2012 08:14 pm (UTC)
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Wish they would shine more light on the mistreatment of women abroad. Sigh.

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From:juliet_winters
Date:May 10th, 2012 08:41 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, but that was Laura Bush's thing and therefore useless. Clearly we need to concentrate on getting soy tacos into school lunch rooms.
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From:temporus
Date:May 10th, 2012 06:17 pm (UTC)
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The irony is probably that it's more of a youth population density thing than anything else in particular. College towns tend to have more younger people as a percentage of the population. And we know in general that the trend is that things like these bans tend to be supported by the older generations, and shunned by the younger generations. (Trends, not absolutes, there's plenty on both sides that fall into all age ranges.) My guess is that has a stronger influence than either what the "Liberals" think or the "Conservatives" think the reason.

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From:arhyalon
Date:May 10th, 2012 08:16 pm (UTC)
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I wonder how much of that is that youth naturally tend to be Liberal and how much is that youth today are used to the idea and don't think much about it.
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From:bojojoti
Date:May 11th, 2012 01:25 am (UTC)
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It's too bad both sides are so busy congratulating themselves that they can't talk to one another. I hate the divisiveness.
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From:arhyalon
Date:May 11th, 2012 01:37 am (UTC)
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It is because their premises are different. If they understood that the otherside is not upset about the same issues, they could communicate better.
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From:bojojoti
Date:May 11th, 2012 03:48 pm (UTC)
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That's true, but it seems that "winning" is more important than understanding.
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From:starshipcat
Date:May 11th, 2012 02:54 am (UTC)
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Amen to that. What's really worrying to me is the increasing shrillness of some voices on both sides. I frequent both liberal-leaning and conservative-leaning communities online, and I've noticed in both that people will say things that even a few years ago would've been considered beyond the pale and unacceptable in polite society, and instead of being called down for it, they're cheered on. Things that seem to indicate that they view the other side as either crazy or soulless monsters that shouldn't exist, and therefore it's OK to do things to them that should be unconsciensable.

It's almost like, instead of a single Overton Window that's being moved back and forth, society's fractured into two camps, each with their own Overton Window that moves independently of the other. And as a result, they're moving toward extremes that leave less and less room for the consensus-building and compromise that our Republic requires to survive.

If this goes on, we'll get to the point where one or the other side believes they cannot surrender power after losing an election and survive. And I'm worrying that it'll be sooner than we expect.
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From:arhyalon
Date:May 11th, 2012 11:56 am (UTC)
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What we are really lacking is politeness...our society currently lauds rudeness as funny, so you get patted on the back for your ideas that are nasty to the other side.

But yeah...I agree. Something to pray about.
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From:bojojoti
Date:May 11th, 2012 03:47 pm (UTC)
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This unshakeable attitude that there is only one right way done a certain way, and that anyone who opposes it should be destroyed is a sobering one. I was listening to Howard Dean talk about how Republicans hate women, Hispanics, Muslims, and gays. Hate? Considering nearly half the nation identifies as Republican, can there really be so much hate? Especially when they are women, Hispanics, Muslim, and gay. The logic escapes me unless that group is self-loathing.

Lack of logic aside, it concerns me, too, that truth is a non-entity to many of these pundits. The truth doesn't matter if it's inconvenient or doesn't prop up a particular argument.

In earlier eras, when people were born into large families, they had to learn to live together, to look out for one another, to share, and to compromise. It seems that we've lost those lessons. Now, it often appears that no one else matters except the individual in the present. Never mind the consequences to others, and, heaven forbid, to think of those to follow.
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From:annafirtree
Date:May 11th, 2012 08:25 pm (UTC)
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... The Big Sort by Bill Bishop describes why that is happening, basically.
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