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06:17 pm: Natural Speech School

I felt that the school of writing represented by the Society for the Redemption of Adverbs needed a name. After all, thanks to Mosellegreen, our opposition has a name: The Heming Way.

So...we are now the Natural Speech School...because real people use adverbs in real speech.

We even have an anthem, from which we get our motto (see below for the motto.):  Adverbs from School House Rock

 We also have a secondary anthem: The FFV Song...full of ly's

And, courtesy of Maradydd: Tom Lehrer LY song.

Motto: "Anything that can be described can be described some more."




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From:(Anonymous)
Date:May 11th, 2010 11:25 pm (UTC)
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Oh good gracious, don't tell the politicians that!
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From:maradydd
Date:May 12th, 2010 12:26 am (UTC)
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I would like to propose "L-Y" by Tom Lehrer as a tertiary anthem.
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From:kokorognosis
Date:May 12th, 2010 12:27 am (UTC)
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That must be referring to a different FFV than the FFV I generally see. There's not a white mage anywhere in there.
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From:arhyalon
Date:May 12th, 2010 02:40 am (UTC)
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;-)

First Family of Virginia!
From:xander25
Date:May 12th, 2010 12:32 pm (UTC)
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I thought the same thing, lol.
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From:marycatelli
Date:May 12th, 2010 03:28 am (UTC)
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except that adverbs are not the only thing we use in real speech.

Sentence fragments, for instance. And sentences that tie themselves into knots because you can't go back and revise. And our vocabularies tend to be somewhat more limited. Plus, of course, you can't revise out redundancies.

Perhaps a name that indicates more exactly what is wanted.
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From:arhyalon
Date:May 12th, 2010 12:41 pm (UTC)
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Nay, I think it fits. I notice that most people I know actually speak pretty well. They may use fragments, etc, in brief conversations, but when speaking at length, they do it with some style and mainly correct grammar.
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From:bojojoti
Date:May 12th, 2010 05:09 am (UTC)
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Sign me up! Immediately. :D
From:xander25
Date:May 12th, 2010 12:35 pm (UTC)
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Good stuff! The more literary schools the better! (does this mean we have to start diagramming sentences now? sorry, couldn't resist...was inspired by marycatelli's comment)
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From:arhyalon
Date:May 12th, 2010 12:40 pm (UTC)
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Only if you feel like it.
From:xander25
Date:January 4th, 2011 09:58 am (UTC)

In defense of sentence diagramming

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I miss this, and I think a Natural Speech School would be good.

"Only if you feel like it."

I do. I wish diagramming was taught in school. For most of my life, I have gotten by on my reading habits. I have been an avid reader since 3rd grade, and I suppose it has helped me to have generally good grammar. However, I could never really say why. What makes good grammar? I remember learning about adjectives, adverbs, etc, but I did not really understand how all those things worked in a sentence. A few years ago, I picked up a book on diagramming sentences. It was also magical, in that I suddenly understood how the different parts of speech interacted. I was also left with the rather odd conclusion that if you remove a part of speech, you remove its function from the language (New Speak anyone?).

This leaves me with the question of why it's not taught in schools (alongside: http://www.amazon.com/Trivium-Liberal-Logic-Grammar-Rhetoric/dp/0967967503/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1294134657&sr=8-1)? I do not have a good answer. I wish I had learned it. There are conspiracy theories floating around, but who knows. There is also the notion that to focus on grammar suppresses creativity (this makes me think of the "creative spelling" debacle).

Perhaps my experiments in sentence diagramming is wrongheaded: an effort of unnecessary mental rigor. I'm not sure. What I do know is that I learned more about grammar from diagramming sentences, than almost any other source.

There you have it. My apologies. My overly sarcastic comment did not express what I intended to convey.
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From:arhyalon
Date:January 4th, 2011 01:56 pm (UTC)

Re: In defense of sentence diagramming

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I almost missed this because my email is not downloading.

Do you remember the name of the book you used? I did a similar thing, taught myself about diagramming, but I kind of winged it, trying to figure out what it must have been, and I've always felt that I did not have as clear an understanding as I might. I know there are people whose grasp of grammar is better than mine. I'd love to look at the book you found so helpful.

I know diagramming was taught just before I went through school, but my particular year somehow missed it...so maybe that's when they stopped teaching it. They did used to teach it in schoool!

I think it was considered too rigid, but as you say, it really helps!
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From:superversive
Date:May 13th, 2010 06:33 am (UTC)
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When I left that comment a while back to your guest blogger, ripping the author he quoted for not knowing what an adverb was (he seemed to think all adverbs end in -ly), I immediately thought of that School House Rock song. It’s been stuck in my head off and on ever since.

Our thinking, in some ways, Madame, she is fearfully same.
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From:arhyalon
Date:May 13th, 2010 12:29 pm (UTC)
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My favorite part is the bit about "bring down your adjetives for our handy LY attatchment." The guy sounds like my dad when he's doing that bit. ;-)
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